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Radix hot for teacher Registered 01/10/2003 Points 3139	3rd September, 2005 at 03:42:51 - That's their prerogative. Nobody is under any obligation to donate to anything, and the implication that they are is churlish at best. n/a
JP Registered 07/06/2003 Points 1338	3rd September, 2005 at 04:11:20 - What is the point you are trying to make? It's none of my business if someone is too cheap or poor to donate, neither does it hurt me in the least bit. What is this new trend of people defending their right to do the exact opposite of what common sense tells you is a good thing. Is it now cool to put up a mask of uncaring and calculating indifference? Because Radix, you seem to enjoy taking the stance with the least possible heart. Anyway if you want to make a point of not donating for a political reason, I feel that is the wrong reason. If you are too cheap or poor or lazy then that's your prerogative. Keep in mind you're not hurting me by not donating, you're not hurting Bush by not donating, your hurting the starving, drowning Negroes in New Orleans. And that is what counts, helping other people in need. Steve Zissou: Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks? Anne-Marie: No, they have to share one.
Ski TDC is my stress ball Registered 13/03/2005 Points 10130	3rd September, 2005 at 04:46:04 - Okay i hate to admit this, Radix has a point, people wont donate unless they want to.you are as bad as clipboard people in the streets. "your hurting the starving, drowning Negroes in New Orleans" Hes not really hurting them is he now? If hes not donating im sure it wont really affect them too much, why dont you dontate on Radix's behalf? Something they didnt already have cant hurt them, it can help them yes, maybe but its not hurting them. n/a
Radix hot for teacher Registered 01/10/2003 Points 3139	3rd September, 2005 at 05:03:06 - "your hurting the starving, drowning Negroes in New Orleans." The ones shooting at the helicopters? Here's the thing. I don't need a reason not to donate. I need a reason to donate. If that's your outlet for social guilt, good for you. If I find an objective reason that it's required for me to donate to people too stupid to evacuate in the wealthiest, most powerful nation on earth with a fully equipped national guard and coastguard, I'll do so. But I'm not going to get that from a bunch of emotive bullshit on a messageboard. If I were in the area and had the means to deliver food or water to the people that need it, I would. But fuck the Red Cross. I'd rather not have my donation 'misplaced'. n/a
JP Registered 07/06/2003 Points 1338	3rd September, 2005 at 05:53:52 - That's really ignorant to say that the 90,000 people in New Orleans were too stupid to evacuate. These people had no choice: A. No car B. No money to rent a car C. Nowhere to go D. Elderly, disabled, homeless Make no mistake, these people are POOR they were poor before and they have absolutely nothing now. The top 5% of the population has 70% of the wealth, therefore you can’t lump us all together. The fact is, you aren’t in a position to help personally but you can help by donating. I don't see what 'sign' you're waiting for, maybe a baby washing up on your doorstep? You ARE hurting them by not donating, when you make the decision not to, you are denying someone a blanket, a cot, a warm meal, or medicine. Don't bullshit yourself into believing you are taking the high ground with indifference. I would think the reason for donating is obvious, if you need one, turn on the TV. There is no guilt involved when I donate, I didn't do anything to cause a hurricane. It's a moral responsibility and the fact that I know good people will be there for me if heaven forbids a natural disaster hits my home. They will be there for you too. Steve Zissou: Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks? Anne-Marie: No, they have to share one.
Radix hot for teacher Registered 01/10/2003 Points 3139	3rd September, 2005 at 06:32:15 - "You ARE hurting them by not donating" This is the crux of your argument. It's bullshit, and you know it. "There is no guilt involved when I donate, I didn't do anything to cause a hurricane. It's a moral responsibility and the fact that I know good people will be there for me if heaven forbids a natural disaster hits my home. They will be there for you too." You misunderstand the concept of social guilt. Additionally, altruistic motivation is somewhat undermined by the suggestion that you're doing this because you expect others to do the same. I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't donate. I'm saying that it's their own decision, and righteous poop-throwing--what you're doing right now, in fact--is unjustifiable. "These people had no choice" They had three days' warning. Being disabled is a valid excuse, nothing else is. "Nowhere to go"? There were designated assembly points. No car? Walk. Take a bus. Ride a homeless person. Whatever. n/a
SculptureOfSoul Registered 14/03/2005 Points 52	3rd September, 2005 at 06:38:50 - Radix, please explain to me how I was being self righteous or trying to put guilt on anyone. The fact that you immediately jumped to those conclusions shows that you do feel some guilt, deep down inside. You can reply and deny it all you want, but given the fact that you pinned those qualities on me when all I did was encourage people to donate and then show pictures of what really happened and what is really going on only points to the fact that you need to reason your way out of the guilt you'd otherwise feel. I didn't say anything like "I know you have a dollar or two you can donate"...I said I had a dollar or two, and if we all donate only a dollar or two it can make a huge impact. I never pushed any guilt, as there really is none to push. I was just pointing out that small donations can make a large difference, that is all. I've heard too many people say "oh, what's a five dollar donation going to do" or something to that effect. I understand why people think that way, but by using some numbers and amplifying the situation by a fraction of the worlds population I like to point out that $5 can make a large difference in the scheme of things. Again, that was the only intent of my post. Please point out where I got self righteous and when or where I alluded to people being under an "obligation to donate". All I wanted to do was encourage some people that might be on the fence in regards to the matter, those same people who say "what's a dollar going to do?" I don't understand why those who are opposed to the idea of donating even respond to such a thread. Maybe you can explain your logic to me? I mean,to me that's like an atheist going up to every christian he meets in the streets and explaining to them why [he believes] their faith is wrong (btw I'm not christian, let's not turn this into a religious discussion.) Is it really worth the time and effort? They feel the way they do, you feel the way you do. As long as nothing is being imposed upon you (and it's not), why take the time to respond to something that you have clearly indicated that you're not interested in? I don't mind if you don't donate, as I clearly stated in my earlier post. I do mind when people derail a thread that only has/had good intentions. That's like stealing a piece of bread from a starving man only to turn around and throw it in the garbage. Current Project: Undertaking the design of my mammoth RPG. Utilizing all of the knowledge gained while coding the now defunct "Shadow Reign".
Radix hot for teacher Registered 01/10/2003 Points 3139	3rd September, 2005 at 06:53:44 - Again, the concept of social guilt is evidently elusive. Your self-righteous behaviour revealed itself in your resonse to Digital. However, I was speaking more in generalities. And unless you and JP are the same person, you're pretty damn vain for thinking everything has to be directed at you. You're waving around a bunch of emotive photos and rubbish then getting upset when someone disagrees with you. I'm not suggesting that anyone not donate, in fact I may yet do so myself if it becomes apparent that it would do any good, but you're being a pain in the ass by soliciting donations. There's a difference between that and allowing people to make their own decisions. It's not like anyone doesn't know what's going on. n/a
SculptureOfSoul Registered 14/03/2005 Points 52	3rd September, 2005 at 07:14:35 - Novasoft, what if your brother or mother or lover or son or daughter or someone who was really close to you was badly injured in a car accident? Would you organize fund raisers and place little charity donation cans around town to try and gather the money needed to help sustain their life, or would you just write it off as some much needed 'population pruning'? Current Project: Undertaking the design of my mammoth RPG. Utilizing all of the knowledge gained while coding the now defunct "Shadow Reign".
hishnak Registered 18/04/2004 Points 994	3rd September, 2005 at 08:47:27 - I stand with Phizzy(scary I know) But yes, this topic is dumb. Some things that have been up have been the most retarded things I've ever heard. So as I have said in my previous post. Please shut yer yappers. If you want to donate donate if you don't don't. Can an Admin please lock this topic? Its quickly going down hill. I'm feeling a bit wella
Ski TDC is my stress ball Registered 13/03/2005 Points 10130	3rd September, 2005 at 09:24:43 - its another gay guilt trip. n/a
SculptureOfSoul Registered 14/03/2005 Points 52	3rd September, 2005 at 09:56:01 - What you see as guilt I see as empathy. Two sides of the coin I guess. I'm not going to elborate on my stance anymore after this post. I've made it clear what my intentions were. I don't benefit from any donations, nor does anyone that I know personally. Nova, that cynicism you and so many others harbor is part of the recipe that leads the world to the state it's in. If empathy and compassion were abound in the quantities of cynicism, pessimism, fear, and anger that plague our outlook these days the world may not be the cesspool you see it as. Of course I know you will disagree, because in reality you fear change - you fear the notion of a world filled with compassion and empathy, because that would require you to step away from your egoist, self centered reality. It is much easier to embrace delusional logic than it is to demand of oneself the changes that you'd like to see in the world. You are caught in a cyclical pattern of negative reinforcement. You wear sunglasses and then complain that it's dark. Radix, regarding this topic being an inconvenience, I would imagine that it would be much more inconvenient to take time out of your day to reply to this thread than it would have been to have just shrugged it off. There is no difference between what I did and allowing people to make their own decisions. I have not violated anyones free will with my post. I simply wanted to share my perspective on the issue in hopes that it might do some good. I can't make you donate. And if the pictures or any other "emotive rubbish" that has been presented 'coerces' you into donating, well then you need to reevaluate your situation and your beliefs before you point the finger at me and claim that I violated your free will. If you become emotionally involved to the point where you want to make a donation because of the pictures presented, you can't blame me. Blame that little, horrific thing inside of you known as compassion. The truth is that you are arguing, or shall I be generous and call it debating, with me because you've got nothing better to do. I came here with good intentions and made a simple post of encouragement. I didn't, nor could I, twist anyones arm or in any way actually coerce them to donate. My post was like a change donation can you'd find at a gas station. I mean, according to your logic nobody should take the time to put those up, because "the people that want to donate will donate anyway". Then tell me, how come there is always some change in those jars? And now I've given you more to tear apart, to consume and to cast aside. Enjoy. Current Project: Undertaking the design of my mammoth RPG. Utilizing all of the knowledge gained while coding the now defunct "Shadow Reign".
Radix hot for teacher Registered 01/10/2003 Points 3139	3rd September, 2005 at 10:22:05 - Inconvenience is a different animal from irritation. What you could have done was make a post suggesting people donate, maybe provide a link to a reputable charity, and nothing more. That would be acceptable. Instead you posted a bunch of "touching" images to attempt to guilt people into donating (and thank fuck you don't know how to use image tags), and had a whinge when someone disagreed with you. And right now, you're questioning my compassion. Never mind the complex philosophical implications of philanthropy; that's a big fuck-you. n/a
Ski TDC is my stress ball Registered 13/03/2005 Points 10130	3rd September, 2005 at 11:25:22 - and sculpture of soul, how come ive not seen you around here before? n/a
SculptureOfSoul Registered 14/03/2005 Points 52	3rd September, 2005 at 11:34:03 - I've been around, do a search for some of my posts. Current Project: Undertaking the design of my mammoth RPG. Utilizing all of the knowledge gained while coding the now defunct "Shadow Reign".
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