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Teapot
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18th April, 2004 at 17:38:33 -
Only one fo those sources repeats what you said in ur original post JP. I'm going to do a little research to see if any of it was based on RELIABLE evidence.
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Teapot
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18th April, 2004 at 17:51:05 -
Here are some facts about the council that you have gotten wrong:
-The first council of Nicaea did not take place in 330ad and in fact took place in 325as
-The purpose of the council was to diminish any religous hostilities and to proclaim his faith, and not to strengthen Christianity.
-The original Gospels ARE the gospels we see today, which is a fact many sources agree on.
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Knudde (Shab)
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18th April, 2004 at 17:51:55 -
Truth be told, the Bible is nuts.
I mean, would you believe someone who said "I just made a woman out of this dudes rib."
Note that I mean nuts in a random kinda way, although some of the zealots out there seriously frighten me.
Craps, I'm an old man!
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Pete Nattress
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18th April, 2004 at 17:56:58 -
i'll answer that one carol, the bible to many represents spiritual meaning rather than actual fact. it's the ones who interpret it as fact that cause the problems as far as i see.
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Knudde (Shab)
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18th April, 2004 at 18:06:10 -
It's still craziness, also a good place for stories (I myself have not found a religion that fits my views yet so the Book is more of a story time for me)
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JP
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18th April, 2004 at 18:13:26 -
Ok teapot, you have confirmed to me that you understand nothing.
I suppose your 330 reference, is in response to my quote here:
"Well I'm about to tell you. I'm going to take you back to around 330 A.D. to Rome, where the pagan emperor Constantine the Great collated the Bible as we know it today. "
No shit the council was in 325, and I have stated that many times in this forum. But you see it didn’t happen overnight, transmogrification was a long process, which why I said around 330AD, I wasn’t focusing on only the council.
"The purpose of the council was to diminish any religious hostilities and to proclaim his faith, and not to strengthen Christianity."
It was to diminish the war between Pagan's and Christians in Rome, Jesus Christ!! That’s what I have said!! Having Rome united under Christianity gives strength to it you idiot, it also gives power to Constantine.
The gospels in the Bible are not original, your sources, if any, are wrong. And you still didn’t respond to the fact that some Gospels were omitted entirely. Some of the Gospels are in the Vatican Archives, unreleased, because they are completely contradictory.
And, after all my posts, you could only find three that were wrong?
And the facts of mine that you claim are wrong are actually correct, or misunderstandings on your part.
Stop coming back with these half baked answers, I'm tired of having to repeat myself.
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RapidFlash
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18th April, 2004 at 19:04:41 -
"The whole Nicaea thing is wrong. Their were Christians before Conatantine. Christians in all countries were persecuted, unlike Jews. "So what?" you say, well this proves that the beliefs in Christ must have been of him as more than just a prophet, otherwise they would not have been persecuted. "
If you believe it it doesn't make it true. You could say the same thing about Islam, as Mohammed was persecuted as were other Muslims, or other religions. As a matter of fact, with your arguement, almost any religion is true, since those religions were persecuted.
It's nice that Teapot mentioned the fact that the gospels we use today were written about 70 years after the birth of Chirst and probably 40 years after his death. How accurate are their accounts of him going to be? Not very accurate.
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Teapot
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18th April, 2004 at 20:48:05 -
Rapid, that wasn't my point, try and understand. I wasn't trying to prove christianity, just trying to prove that it existed before Constantine.
JP, lol I didn't read half of what you said, my bad.
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Teapot
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18th April, 2004 at 20:52:38 -
What does anyone hope to achieve through this argument? Seriously, religious debate is useless, JP can't turn Christians into Atheists, and I can't turn aetheists into believers. If your aim, JP, is to "inform", then why? Again, by "informing" us about Nicaea, what have you achieved?
Information is not an achievement, unless you can change things enlightenment is useless.
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TheAlee
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19th April, 2004 at 12:32:37 -
just sayin to that guy who said the bible is nuts, it just illistrates my point that you should read it first, its doesn't actually mean that God made eve out of adams RIB its out of a part of adam, just like when you hear, God made humans in his image, it means his spiritual image.
OH BTW everyone know december 25th wasn't actually when he was born, its just when we choose to celebrate it. - yeah i know sum1s already said that
also bishops aren't a part of all christian faith. they are only in high churches generally.
"The Bible is just a book some nutters wrote to get money and power."
you can prove this i suppose, or becuase this is what you think makes it real, jesus existed, its true. it can be proved.
If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it from your face. If your right hand causes you to sin, remove it and cast it from your body.
I read something like that in a Bible I stole from a hotel room... it freaked me out, so I threw it out the car window. True story.
Jesus exxageratees alot in his parables, it doesn't mean it like that. i'm not really very clever in this stuff but from what i gather in church it means...
for example if you go to the pub with your mate "Chris", who is an alcaholic, you always end up waking up on the street and getting put in jail for criminal damage. you probably shouldn't go to the pub with chris so you don't end up in a situation like that. just take neccecery mesures to help stop you "sinning"..
yeah JP may have a point, but so may jesus. so just take a chance and try and learn about it a bit... you never know it could change your life...
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JP
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19th April, 2004 at 12:38:58 -
Alee, you might want to learn about this thread before you post, so you wont look stupid.
If you want to know why you look stupid at this point, read the thread, I'm tired of having to summarize it.
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Nick of All Trades
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19th April, 2004 at 15:13:10 -
And constantine didn't make christianity to the national religion. Why would he spend his time changing christianity so his people could be christians, if the NEXT imperor was the one who converted them?
And I didn't say Constantine won the battle, I just took it up to prove that he was christian, which you denied.
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RapidFlash
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19th April, 2004 at 17:30:54 -
JoNickArt: Constantine wasn't a Christian until he was on his deathbed. I believe JP mentioned this earlier in this topic.
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Pete Nattress
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19th April, 2004 at 17:46:02 -
"JP can't turn Christians into Atheists, and I can't turn aetheists into believers"
i think you'll find he can if he tries hard enough  causing people to question the very roots of their beliefs is powerful indeed.
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Philipe (Phil-Con Games)
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19th April, 2004 at 23:55:46 -
Yea! Another quick post (again)!
What exactly was changed besides common sybols (like halos and Isis and Horus whatever)? Does it matter that we worship on Sunday instead of any other day? Its not like we do it because of the other gods, right? We just do it because that happens to be what it says, but as long as you worship God anyways, does it truly matter? Why would Christianity fall ifseveral things were blended together with it? Once again, the things everyone "disproves" about Christianity are the modern misconceptions of it, not the thing itself. What about the Bible is what it originally was, and what about it was changed? If it was just a few symbols, then why on Earth should anyone care? I'm not saying that this is true in the first place, I'm just asking "What does it matter?" if it were true.
About the eye and hand thing...What it means (I'm agreeing with Al (Heck, I agree with everything he's said so far) is that you should limit yourself to a point you wouldn't be forced to sin. Like, if you somehow agreed to hot tub with some hot chick for some other reason than lust (not that anyone would do it for any other reason anyways), then got in the tub, could you resist looking at her in lust? No, of course not (unless you happen to be queer). As reality would have it, you'd be looking at her every 2 seconds! But, if you never got in the tub in the first place, you would never be in the ludicrously tempting postion to sin, right? Exactly. That's all that the hand thing means. Speaking of metaphorical stuff in the bible, not EVERYTHING in truth is metaphorical. Although, a lot of it is, but still. In case your wondering Shab, read Revelation (last book in the Bible). If none of the Apocalypse is metaphorical, then that would be really wierd, now wouldn't it? Just read it and try to comprehend it instead of presumptuously thinking that this is the most randomly stupid thing in existence.
Once again, the top of this post does not seem to apply to the text below it. Oh well, who really cares?
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